bernieh ([info]bernieh) wrote,
@ 2008-05-16 15:24:00
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Comic 247: Don't Tase Me Bro


I've seen a lot of descriptions and demonstrations of the "enhanced interrogation" technique of Waterboarding, and from what I can tell, you don't so much experience pain as much as you mostly "just" fear for your life for the few seconds you can stand it until you "break". I'll definitely allow for the possibility that there IS actually pain involved, and that you can suffer severe lasting psychological effects, but it seems to me that, at least with the way our government's reportedly practiced it, it's specifically designed to be as effective and efficient as possible while causing the MINIMUM amount of pain. No matter how you feel about it, it's not like the CIA are sadists.

This isn't a defense of waterboarding, but rather an excuse for me to link to the Medieval Torture Museum in San Gimignano, Italy, which was one of the most haunting experiences of my life. THIS was how to inflict intentional pain. Elaine and I visited for our 2nd anniversary (we did other less macabre things in Tuscany too), and we both paid for admission, but Elaine had barely entered the first room when she said, "Uh, I'll wait for you outside". I'm glad she did. This illustrated online tour does a good job describing the nasty devices they used in the Medieval times... it's nothing compared to standing face to face with an Iron Maiden like I had the "pleasure" of doing, but if you have any sort of imagination, that link will freak you the hell out.

How many of you knew that the Iron Maiden was an old torture device and not just a metal band? Ok now how many of you knew that Uday Hussein used to put underperforming Iraqi athletes in one as recently as like 10 years ago?



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[info]mighty_pit
2008-05-16 08:07 pm UTC (link)
"I'll definitely allow for the possibility that there IS actually pain involved, and that you can suffer severe lasting psychological effects, but it seems to me that, at least with the way our government's reportedly practiced it, it's specifically designed to be as effective and efficient as possible while causing the MINIMUM amount of pain. No matter how you feel about it, it's not like the CIA are sadists."

This makes no sense dude. Mothers are DROWNING PEOPLE. Efficient? yeah. Torture? Definitely. The CIA do not have to disclose a lot of what they do. What are your opinions on the KGB?

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[info]meepeek
2008-05-16 10:38 pm UTC (link)
Um.. I love ALP, and I've always enjoyed your LJ, but I gotta disagree with you on the torture/waterboarding thing. Forcing someone to undergo an ordeal which, if the accounts I've read are correct, tells your biological mind that you're going to die, even though your rational mind doesn't believe it, is pretty damned sadistic. The individuals in the CIA may or may not be sadists, but the ~practice~.. yeah.

OTOH, the museum is wicked cool.

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[info]elkippy
2008-05-17 05:58 pm UTC (link)
uh i dont know what you've read about waterboarding but it's definitely a little worse that "just being afraid to die" in a letter from over 100 US law professors to atourney general Alberto Gonzalez it was stated:

Waterboarding is torture. It causes severe physical suffering in the form of reflexive choking, gagging, and the feeling of suffocation. It may cause severe pain in some cases. If uninterrupted, waterboarding will cause death by suffocation. It is also foreseeable that waterboarding, by producing an experience of drowning, will cause severe mental pain and suffering. The technique is a form of mock execution by suffocation with water. The process incapacitates the victim from drawing breath, and causes panic, distress, and terror of imminent death. Many victims of waterboarding suffer prolonged mental harm for years and even decades afterward.

take a look at the wikipedia page for more info.

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